Schumer's speech

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Indeed, even Abbas in his rebuke of Hamas said that Hamas caused occupation of Gaza.
    But there are people in Israel with a set of mind that Gaza taken in war is now part of Israel, and needs to be resettled by Israelis.
    That is, the only thing that may prevent future encounters is when the attackers loose land. Same for Lebanon, if escalation happens, to annex portion of Lebanon and resettle it, all the way up to litany river. The people calling for such actions are a small minority.
    Officially, the Israeli government is considering some kind of mix of Israeli and international force to control Gaza security and insure no rockets are fired from there.
    After all, the whole purpose of the war was to provide security to Southern Israel.
    There is some return to normality in border towns like Shderot. Kids are back at schools and business reopened, evacuated Israeli citizens, returned to those towns.
    Northern Israel is hurting, still being bombarded by rockets by Hamas and Hezbollah from Lebanon, afflicting pain, destruction. Evacuees are not able to return to towns like Kiriyat Simona for many months now, businesses closed and no relieve in the horizon, but actually prospects for an even greater conflict.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Media Bias and critique, a more balanced reporting.
     

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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I was just about to post a link to that article. :D This is the article that I've been anticipating for weeks. First off let me say that the WSJ is okay reliability and bias, not the best but acceptable, IMHO, Mostly factual reliability and right/right-center bias. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wall-street-journal/

    Most importantly I didn't see any mention of Jihadists in the article although at least one anti-Semitic organization was referenced. The active groups mentioned were almost all domestic USA based. I hope that this lays to rest your conspiracy theory that the protests are somehow instigated by Hamas or Iran.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill I think this is part of it.
    You dismiss the internet, YouTube and other social media is flooded with incitement material, Facebook in early months of war was supper inciting.
    But I will provide what is to obvious.
    I already posted the list of participating groups.
    I have 100% certainty of Muslim Brotherhood and other Jihadist groups involvement, not just in recent months but decades in making.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm sure supporters of those groups post on social media and other Internet sites. That doesn't bestow an instigating ability though. People can have 100% certainty and still be wrong. Especially when their certainty is based on conspiratorial thinking or unreliable sources rather than reliable sources.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is a discussion so I state my view. Yes in a court it's different.
    But even if we look at it as a court of opinion, I will need to provide additional valid prove.
    I though I already provided.
    Will see what is out there that you may accept.

    While the “hard evidence to prove this is still fuzzy,” given organizing happens “sometimes indirectly or secretly,” There are “enough signs to make it reasonable to suspect that that is occurring.”

    “Those signs include things like having common tents, having those tents all purchased and ready to go. Even the timing of the protests, right on the eve of Passover, this is well-timed to put Jewish students in a disadvantageous position because they’d be away for the holiday. And then also the remarkable similarities in language being used by protestors, including Hamas and Hezbollah,”

    Let's see what will come to light.
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm sure we'll see more articles about it like the WSJ article.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not sure that you or MBFC are giving WSJ enough credit for something that they do that has otherwise fallen far out of fashion in the media, which is to assiduously keep their journalism and editorial departments separate.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Well you can perhaps blame me but I think MBFC is fairly clear, although it could be argued that MBFC is a bit too harsh when factoring in the editorial department into their overall rating.

    quote:
    • Overall, we rate the Wall Street Journal Right-Center biased due to low-biased news reporting combined with a strong right-biased editorial stance. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to anti-climate, anti-science views, and occasional misleading editorials.
    ...
    Failed Fact Checks
    • A factual search reveals that the Wall Street Journal has never failed a fact check regarding news reporting; however, IFCN fact checkers Climate Feedback and Health Feedback have found numerous inaccuracies in the WSJ editorial department.
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wall-street-journal/
     
  11. Lerner

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  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    'We are serious': Houthis offer to educate US students suspended in campus protests
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/serious-houthis-offer-educate-us-153745482.html
    Reuters
    Sat, May 4, 2024 at 11:37 AM EDT·2 min read
    DUBAI − Yemen's Iran-aligned Houthi militia, which has disrupted global shipping to display its support for Palestinians in the Gaza conflict, is now offering a place for students suspended from U.S. universities after staging anti-Israeli protests.
    Students have rallied and set up tents at dozens of campuses in the United States to protest against Israel's war in Gaza, now in its seventh month.
    Demonstrators have called on President Joe Biden, who has supported Israel's right to defend itself, to do more to stop the bloodshed in Gaza and demanded schools divest from companies that support Israel's government.
    Many of the schools, including Columbia University in New York City, have called in police to quell the protests.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro-palestine-university-groups-radicalising-172101700.html

    Some pro-Palestine US university groups are co-opting the nationwide campus protests and “radicalising” America’s students, it has been claimed.
    Justin Finkelstein, from the ADL’s Center on Extremism, said SJP was “one of the main organisers” behind the protests that have swept the US and a factor in leading to “students becoming more radical” - but far from the only culprit.

    He also pointed to “Within Our Lifetime United for Palestine”, which has been very active in the protests in New York City, as well as Palestine Action, which has both US and UK branches and focuses on “engaging in direct action”.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Recommended article! So let's sit down and look at it!!
    Roni Akrish: The unholy alliance, between the progressive left organizations and the Palestinians.

    Useful idiots
    What these 'useful idiots' - who associate with Islamists - fail to remember is that they are an integral part of the Islamic plan of destruction:
    This was the case, for example, with the Iranian communists: after helping Ayatollah Khomeini come to power, they were all destroyed under terrible conditions.
    Even in Gaza, the attitude towards queers, for example, is far from being like favored.
     
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  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Knowledge Production is just some guy's personal website. It's not even rated by MBFC. If there is real news there then it will be covered by a real news organization. Although I did read what you posted and there didn't seem like any real hard news in there.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I view those as investigative enablers..
    Many findings match the events that unfold in front of our eyes..
    I learn about additional players, groups and posible explanations.
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I view those as potentially misleading and also time wasters.
    There is plenty of editor checked reliable news out there.
    No need obscure reality by reading unreliable news sources. For example, it is common for Trump to tell a lie then it goes into the right biased echo chamber and gets repeated over and over. Sometimes Fox even has to pay three quarters of a billion dollars for lies they have spewed.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    What? Idiots have to be USEFUL now? That's sure as hell not gonna fly, especially around here!
     
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  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Only Russians allowed to have those?
    It appears Iran, Hamas and Jihadists have their crop/fruits harvest as well. Those came to fruition (Trojan horses in multiple locations), and in very short time spread all over the US, and the West.
    Students incited by distorted and biased media reports, as they don't go to reports from established media that verifies the sources, they have their college groups and social media, where they get exposed to the brainwashing propaganda and psychological pressure, and emotional vacuum that needs to be filled.
     
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